Deep Green Technologies

Note

• Deep Green Technologies focuses on building data centers that reuse heat, aiming to address the environmental impact of data centers.
• The company advocates for a shift towards smaller, distributed data centers located closer to where people live and work, offering a more sustainable approach to computing infrastructure.
• Deep Green Technologies partners with cloud providers like Civo and Hewlett Packard Enterprise to offer green cloud services, encouraging developers to make environmentally conscious choices when selecting cloud providers.

Highlights

• 2025-01-17 13:56 Up until the point where AI started to become part of our everyday lives, those normal data centers aren’t on very much. They’re only on 20, 30% of the time and they don’t actually generate very good waste heat. So you can certainly forgive the great, the good of the data center industry for not necessarily trying too hard to reuse heat in the old world, but in the world that’s coming where we’ve got these incredibly dense racks of Nvidia and other chips where utilizing a massive, huge amount more energy than previously the datasets had that. It’s at this point where those on 70, 80% of the time and they’re generating an enormous amount of heat. And the heat’s relatively high grade. It’s not high grade heat as class within, but it’s good low grade heat. So at this point then the ability to reuse heat becomes a real thing and that’s why we exist. Ah, I see. Okay, so there’s a couple of things I’d like to unpack if I may

• 2025-01-17 13:56 the first thing you said was, okay, so there used to be data centers. If they were going to be built in a kind of hyperscale thing, you’re looking for kind of cheap land. And then that’s why they’re often kind of miles away and probably maybe near things like say a grid connection or fiber connection or something like that.

• 2025-01-17 13:56 so that was like one of the previous approaches. But the downside of that is that, well, you might have all this heat but no one’s able to use it. So you just vent it into the sky.

• 2025-01-17 13:56 So it’s basically wasted in that way

• 2025-01-17 13:56 another way you can do this is you can actually build these where they kind of interact more, where they’re kind of more complementary to the kind of urban fabric, as it were, and then you can use that. But the thing that we’ve seen, one of the reasons that’s been stopping that before is that essentially the data centers might have generated some heat, but it wasn’t enough heat. So you said low grade. And when you talk about low grade heat, that’s like maybe 40 degrees, 50 degrees, like maybe you could expand on that, what that might mean.

• 2025-01-17 13:52 So as you say, low grade heat in industrial settings can be as high as a couple of hundred degrees. So when you say a data center is going to be producing heat at 45, 50, 55 degrees, then that doesn’t sound very warm at all.

• 2025-01-17 13:54 But the also particularly in the uk, what the government needs to do is planning is a huge, huge hurdle. I never really understood that until we’d be working with D Green for, you know, building data centers. It is breathtaking how Kafka rest the planning system in the UK is. It’s just, it’s beyond insane. It’s, it’s, it’s crazy.

• 2025-01-17 13:54 So you’ve got, you’ve got regulations like because you’re leased of a council on a district heating system means that you only got that lease because you said you’d use green energy. If you put a data center within the environment of your district heating system because we’ve got generators that kick in for redundancy and resiliency that then means that you’re in contravention of your lease. So instead of somebody just going yeah, that’s a shit idea, let’s not do that, put a cross through that. That’s an unfathomably complicated year long process. We’ve had to put one pool, we’re trying to qualify.

• 2025-01-17 13:57 That’s why there isn’t one perfect kind of measure, if you like. Certainly in our case we don’t use any water. So the way that we cool, the way, the way that the director chip cooling and the types of cooling that we use, we we don’t use any water. And you know, there really isn’t, as far as I understand it, and I’m not an expert in terms of a techie expert in this area, but really using water is a question of just how much margin you’re prepared to sacrifice. It is perfectly possible to call a data center without using any water.

• 2025-01-17 13:53 Our main partner, who’ve been incredibly supportive to us for years, is a platform called Civo. So, yeah, again, a UK business paying UK tax. If you as a developer want to run, you want a cloud service that is every bit as good as AWS or Google or Amazon or Azure and you want it to be green, then just go to Civo and then you will be. Civo are using our data centers. So you as a developer, you shouldn’t have to make any compromises at all, right? You shouldn’t have to worry about any of this stuff. This should all be abstracted away and entirely will be where you can just be assured that when you’re running code, it’s running in the most environmentally, you know, it’s being run in the most sustainable way possible. Now, part of the problem with the large clouds is that they’re reporting their esg, reporting their sustainability reporting is pretty chunky stroke, complete bullshit. So I think that’s part of the problem that I think a lot of cloud services at the moment aren’t really taking this very seriously.

• 2025-01-17 13:58 The reality is any cloud platform that’s claimed to be green just by using green electrons is ignoring 90% of the problem. Right? 90% of the carbon in a data center is in the kit itself, the scope, what’s called Scope three, the carbon that has been used to manufacture the computers themselves.

• 2025-01-17 10:02 Yeah, if you’re a developer, go to Civo. They’re amazing people. It’s an amazing platform. As I said, the fastest, quickest way of supporting us is to buy using Civo, buying Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Hewlett Packard Greenlake AI. So we’re landing.